Notes and Queries, Number 54, 
November 9,
by Various 
 
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Title: Notes and Queries, Number 54, November 9, 1850 A Medium of 
Inter-communication for Literary Men, Artists, Antiquaries, 
Genealogists, etc 
Author: Various 
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NOTES AND QUERIES: 
A MEDIUM OF INTER-COMMUNICATION FOR LITERARY MEN, 
ARTISTS, ANTIQUARIES, GENEALOGISTS, ETC. 
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"When found, make a note of."--CAPTAIN CUTTLE. 
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No. 54.] SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 9. 1850. [Price Threepence. 
Stamped Edition 4d. 
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CONTENTS. 
NOTES:-- Page English and Norman Songs of the Fourteenth Century, 
by James Graves. 385 Misplaced Words in Shakspeare's Troilus and 
Cressida 386 Master John Shorne, by W. J. Thoms 387 Corrigenda of 
Printer's Errors 388 Folk-lore of Wales: No. 3. Meddygon 
Myddvai--No. 4. Trwyn Pwcca 388 Connexion of Words: the Word 
"Freight" 389 Minor Notes:--Smith's Obituary--George Wither the Poet, 
a Printer--Corruption of the Text of Gibbon's "Decline and 
Fall"--Traditional Story concerning Cardinal Wolsey 389 
QUERIES:-- 
Early Sale of Gems, Drawings, and Curiosities 390 Minor 
Queries:--Quotations wanted--Death of Richard H.--Sir W. Herschel's 
Observations and Writings-- Swearing by Swans--Automachia--Poa
cynosuwides-- Vineyards--Martin, Cockerell, and Hopkins 
Families--Camden's Poem on the Marriage of the Thames and 
Isis--National Airs of England--Poor Pillgarlick--Inscription on a 
Portrait--Burton's Parliamentary Diary--Tobacconists--"The Owl is 
abroad"--Scandal against Queen Elizabeth--Letters of 
Horning--Cromwell poisoned 391 
REPLIES:-- 
Collar of SS. 393 Daniel De Foe, by W. Crafter 395 "Antiquitas Sæculi 
Juventus Mundi" 395 Replies to Minor Queries:--Sir Gammer Vans-- 
Hipperswitches--Cat and Bagpipes--Forlot, Firlot, or Furlet--Sitting 
during the Lessons--Engelmann's Bibliotheca Auctor. 
Class.--News--Derivation of Orchard 396 
MISCELLANEOUS:-- 
Notes on Books, Sales, Catalogues, &c. 398 Books and Odd Volumes 
Wanted 398 Notice to Correspondents 399 Advertisements 399 
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Notes. 
ENGLISH AND NORMAN SONGS OF THE FOURTEENTH 
CENTURY. 
In a vellum book, known as The Red Book of Ossory, and preserved in 
the archives of that see, is contained a collection of Latin religious 
poetry, written in a good bold hand of the 14th century; prefixed to 
several of the hymns, in a contemporary and identical hand, are 
sometimes one sometimes more lines of a song in old English or 
Norman French, which as they occur I here give: 
"Alas hou shold y syng, yloren is my playnge Hou sholdy wiz zat olde 
man} } swettist of al zinge." To leven and let my leman } 
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"Harrow ieo su thy: p fol amo^r de mal amy." 
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"Have m^rcie on me frere: Barfote zat ygo." 
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"Do Do. nightyngale syng ful myrie Shal y nevre for zyn love lengre 
karie." 
* * * * * 
"Have God day me lemon," &c. 
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"Gaveth me no garlond of greene, Bot hit ben of Wythones yuroght." 
* * * * * 
"Do Do nyztyngale syng wel miry Shal y nevre for zyn love lengre 
kary." 
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"Hew alas p amo^r Oy moy myst en tant dolour." 
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"Hey how ze chevaldoures woke al nyght." 
It is quite evident that these lines were thus prefixed (as is still the 
custom), to indicate the air to which the Latin hymns were to be sung. 
This is also set forth in a memorandum at the commencement, which 
states that these songs, Cantilene, were composed by the Bishop of 
Ossory for the vicars of his cathedral church, and for his priests and 
clerks,
"ne guttura eorum et ora deo sanctificata polluantur cantilenis 
teatralibus turpibus et secularibus: et cum sint cantatores, provideant 
sibi notis convenientibus, secundum quod dictamina requirunt."--Lib. 
Rub. Ossor. fol. 70. 
We may, I think, safely conclude that the lines above given were the 
commencement of the cantilene teatrales turpes et seculares, which the 
good bishop wished to deprive his clergy of all excuse for singing, by 
providing them with pious hymns to the same airs; thinking, I suppose, 
like John Wesley in after years, it was a pity the devil should 
monopolise all the good tunes. I shall merely add that the author of the 
Latin poetry seems to have been Richard de Ledrede, who filled {386} 
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