Notes and Queries, Number 35, June 29, 1850

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and Queries, Number 35, June 29, 1850, by Various

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Title: Notes and Queries, Number 35, June 29, 1850 A Medium of Inter-communication for Literary Men, Artists, Antiquaries, Genealogists, etc
Author: Various
Editor: George Bell
Release Date: July 24, 2007 [EBook #22126]
Language: English
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"When found, make a note of."--CAPTAIN CUTTLE.
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No. 35.] SATURDAY, JUNE 29. 1850. [Price, with index to Vol. I., 9d. Stamped Edition 11d.
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NOTES:-- Page George Goring, Earl of Norwich, and his Son George, Lord Goring 65 MSS. of Bishop Ridley 66 Lines written during the Arctic Expedition 67 Folk Lore:--Legend of Sir Richard Baker, surnamed Bloody Baker--Cures for Warts--Charm for Cure of King's Evil--Fig-Sunday 67 Note on a Passage in Hudibras 68 Coffee, Black Broth 69
QUERIES:-- Queries concerning Old MSS., by E. F. Rimbault 70 Minor Queries:--Chantrey's Sleeping Children in Lichfield Cathedral--Viscount Dundee's Ring--Kilkenny Cats--Robert de Welle--Lady Slingsby--God save the Queen--Meaning of "Steyne"--Origin of "Adur"--Colonel Lilburn--French Verses--Our World--Porson's Imposition--Alice Rolle--The Meaning of "Race" in Ship-building--The Battle of Death--Execution of Charles I.--Morganitic Marriage-- Lord Bacon's Palace and Gardens--"Dies Ir?, Dies Illa"--Aubrey Family--Ogden Family 70
REPLIES:-- Sir George Buc, by E. F. Rimbault and Cecil Monro 73 "A frog he would a-wooing go" 74 Replies to Minor Queries;--Carucate of Land-- Golden Frog and Sir John Poley--The Poley Frog-- Bands--Bishops and their Precedence--"Imprest" and "Debenture"--Charade--"Laus tua, non tua Fraus"--Dutch Language--"Construe" and "translate"-- Dutton Family--Mother of Thomas à Becket-- Medal of Stukeley--Dulcarnon--Practice of Scalping-- Derivation of Penny 75
MISCELLANIES:-- "By Hook or by Crook"--Burning dead Bodies-- Etymology of "Barbarian"--Royal and distinguished Disinterments 78
MISCELLANEOUS:-- Notes on Books, Sales, Catalogues, Sales, &c. 79 Books and Odd Volumes Wanted 79 Notices to Correspondents 79 Advertisements 79
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G.'s inquiry (Vol. i., p. 22.) about the two Gorings of the Civil War--a period of our history in which I am much interested--has led me to look into some of the sources of original information for that time, in the hope that I might be enabled to answer his Queries. I regret I cannot yet answer his precise questions, when Lord Goring the son was married, and when and where he died? but I think the following references to notices of the father and the son will be acceptable to him; and I venture to think that the working out in this way of neglected biographies, is one of the many uses to which your excellent periodical may be applied.
Confusion has undoubtedly been made between the father and son by careless compilers. But whoever carefully reads the passages of contemporary writers relating to the two Gorings, and keeps in mind that the title of Earl of Norwich, given by Charles I. in November, 1644, to the father, was not recognised by the parliamentary party, will have no difficulty in distinguishing between the two. Thus it will be seen in two of the passages which I subjoin from Carte's Letters, that in 1649 a parliamentarian calls the father Lord Goring, and Sir Edward Nicholas calls him Earl of Norwich.
Burke, in his Dormant and Extinct Peerages, vol. iii., makes the mistake of giving to the father the son's proceedings at Portsmouth at the beginning of the Civil War.
Lord Goring the son, then Colonel Goring, commanding a regiment in the Low Countries, was, at the siege of Breda, September, 1637, severely wounded in the leg, and had a narrow escape of losing it. Sir William Boswell, the English ambassador at the Hague, writes to Bramhall, then Bishop of Derry, and afterwards Archbishop of Armagh:--
"Colonel Goring having the guard of the English in the approaches, was shot so dangerously cross the shin of his leg, a little above his ankle, as the chirurgion at first resolved to cut off his leg to save his life; but upon second thoughts, and some opposition by one of them against four, they forebare; and now, thanks be to God, he is gotten out of danger of losing life or leg this bout: his excellent merits caused a great sorrow at his misfortune, and now as great comfort in the hope of his recovery"--(Rawdon Papers, p. 39.)
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